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November 28, 2007

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redperegrine

Yeah, well, ask Mike Clesceri what Schroeder can do to people. Oops, can't - he's long gone!

"It needs to be remembered that Mike Schroeder is a life-long Orange County and has been involved in GOP politics for many, many years starting at the grass-roots level."

Mike Schroeder is a lifelong Orange County_____what? The operative word is missing here. Is he an Orange County native? Is that what youre saying or supopsed to be saying? Please fill in the blank.

Tylerh

Jubal,

You would under Mike's "Dark Lord" powers if you had ever been in the room when he says, "I find your lack of faith disturbing."

Mike who?

DeadBeatPoliticalHack

The bigger they are the harder they fall.

I predict an IRS audit and then prison...

Bladerunner

Jubal- While you're probably right that the Dark Lord can not be leveraged(somewhat refreshing in this business)a lot of those Central Committee members can be leveraged.


Schroeder's continuing march to the sea against Janet shows that even incumbency is no barrier to the Dark Lord's willingness to attack early, often and relentlessly.

For those Central Committee members who dream of sugar plums and higher office, ending up on the dark side of the Dark Lord is something most will avoid at all costs.
Whether its perceived power or real power, it's there. It's almost like Stalag 17-the OC Version.

Meanwhile, the OC Democrats try to herd cats, with no whip to crack.

One Who Knows

I like Mike Schroeder.

To most of us, politics is just a part-time diversion from our otherwise mundane lives. We have jobs, we have kids, we have mortgages. In other words, we have real, ordinary lives.

To the Mike Schroeders of the world, however, politics is more than a diversion...it's their whole life. Schroeder doesn't need a job because, as you point out, he's independently wealthy. He can afford to spend full time figuring out how to reward his (political) friends and destroy his (political) enemies.

Are people afraid of Mike Schroeder? You bet.

Is is justified? Yes, of course it is.

Because he can practice politics full time, Mike Schroeder can make your life miserable if you cross him. And, as Mark Bucher pointed out recently on this blog, he does so with great relish.

Conversely, he also has the time to make your (political) life more enjoyable if you support him.

The Sheriff, the District Attorney and other elected officials are all constrained by various laws designed to curb their powers. As a private citizen, Mike Schroeder has no such constraints.

He is very, very powerful.

I ain't afraid of Mike!

It's not Mike I'm afraid of it's his wife! Now that's someone you should all fear!

SHILL ALERT! SHILL ALERT!

Jubal

Yeah, well, ask Mike Clesceri what Schroeder can do to people. Oops, can't - he's long gone!

You missed my point. Go back and read the post. I was talking about Central Committee members, not elected officials.

Do you think Mike Schroeder is going to fund district-wide hit pieces against every Central Committee member who didn't vote his way?

Long-time politico

Redperegrine, Blade and OWK are all correct. Mike is brilliant, imaginative and well connected. Add wealth to the mix and you have, well they said it nicely. If you harbor even the slightest hope of elective or appointive office he is not a man to cross. You need not know Supervisor Nguyen's cell phone number to get confirmation of that; the victim list is long enough to make the point. I foreswore any aspirations some time ago and have found the decision remarkably liberating. BTW, Mike is a friend and a past supporter, so I have no axe to grind. I am just reflecting the cold reality of the situation.

Respect is Earned

Everyone in politics has an opinions but few have has this…..

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v1.1)
a•cu•men -Spelled Pronunciation[uh-kyoo-muh n, ak-yuh-]
–noun
Keen insight, shrewdness: remarkable acumen in business matters

Schroeder is one of the few that have political acumen.

Even if some of his elected officials/candidates (Carona/ Ngyuen) suffered some defeats this cycle Schroeder won’t change except maybe grow stronger. He will learn from the experiences, his mistakes and grow wiser. Next cycle he will pick a new crop of candidates and/or issues to champion and 9 times out of 10 they/he will emerge the winner.

P.S. Who is the political advisor to the Republican frontrunner for Governor in 2010?

Jubal

OWK:

I agree that Mike is a politically powerful individual. I said as much in the post. But I think waaaaay to much is made of this "Fear of a Schroeder Planet."

But politics isn't Mike's whole life, at least not as far as I can tell. He is wealthy, but he also has a business and a law practice to run, and other interests besides. He greatly enjoys political involvement, but I don't believe it obsesses him.

Would you want Mike as your political enemy? Definitely not. But at the same time, in my experience Mike isn't some madman who looks for opportunities to build an enemies list.

I think it's much easier for people to build Mike into a boogie man than to take a more realistic look at him.

redperegrine

"You missed my point. Go back and read the post. I was talking about Central Committee members, not elected officials."

Huh? Don't Central Committee members get elected? Aren't many ex officio members by being elected to State or Federal office? And who knows, maybe some of them aspire to other (and higher) offices. Really, Jubal, I know you're not that much of a naif.

And maybe a lot of the members are just pussilanimous (or pragmatic) by nature. I know some of them and I also know how they got their arms twisted by Schroeder when the subject of Carona came up. Some caved in and were justifiably embarrassed about it.

Seriously people!

Mike Schroeder has power because ya'll give him power.

Do you actually think electeds and wanna-be electeds would cosy up to Schroeder if there were severe fundraising and endorsement consequences? What if the big donor groups like the Lincoln Club, the New Majority, Gen-Next, etc. (not to mention Baugh and the OC Republican Party) made it known that such folks would not be supported, financially or otherwise, if Schroeder was on their team.

As Mark Bucher plainly notes, Schroeder and folks like him are poisons to our Party. Either stop crying like a bunch of babies or man up and do something about it.

yawn

Folks like Schroeder are like shooting stars ... they burn out. Carona will take Schroeder with him. And when Tony R goes, Susan will go, too.

The regular folk are sick and tired of the party plays.

One Who Knows

Question from 3:14 P.M.

"P.S. Who is the political advisor to the Republican frontrunner for Governor in 2010?"

Answer:

Wayne Johnson.


Jubal, also at 3:14 P.M., you wrote:

"But at the same time, in my experience Mike isn't some madman who looks for opportunities to build an enemies list."

Response:

I agree 100%. But, at the same time, he is not one to withdraw, reflect, or reconsider, when faced with opposition.

Anon

Matt,

These comments run together and no one seems to answer your question: why are some central committee members afraid of Mike Schroeder?

Well, 18 of them aren't.

The ones who are seem to be local elected officials (yes there are a lot of them on the central committee) who have ambitions of higher office and don't want to cross mike, others are political hacks who know are afraid that mike could cause them to lose business and/or their jobs.

The 18 who aren't probably do not fall into this category or have the huevos to stand up to mike. A good number of the rest are probably afraid.

Jubal

I'm not a naif, RP. But I don't think you and many others are thinking this through. Paying for a hit piece in Fullerton (against Clesceri) is one thing. Funding multiple hit pieces to Republican voters in entire Assembly districts is quite another.

What exactly is "arm-twisting"? Did Schroeder actually threaten these members, either explicitly or implicitly?

My point, which everyone seems to be missing, is that Mike Schroeder is a politically powerful individual -- but he is not all-powerful, and it is lazy to explain the Central Committee vote as simply an act of mass cowardice.

redperegrine

"it is lazy to explain the Central Committee vote as simply an act of mass cowardice."

The Central Committe is not a "mass." It's a relatively small group of people, many of whom have political interests and ambitions best not threatened by a determined and well-heeled enemy.

Call it cowardice or pragmatism - it hardly matters which - the end result is the same. The party of principles doesn't look like it has any.

BTW, if you were involved in a contested Assembly primary election would you want Schroeder to pay for a single targeted hit piece against you?

Jubal

The Central Committe is not a "mass."

RP, now your just being picayune. How about "group cowardice"? Better?

Call it cowardice or pragmatism - it hardly matters which - the end result is the same.

On the contrary, it does matters whether a person is acting out of cowardice or pragmatism, not the least because they are very different things.

The party of principles doesn't look like it has any.

Why is that? Because they didn't provide you with the outcome you desired? Are you saying a person can't refuse to call for the resignation of an indicted elected official on the grounds that they are entitled to the presumption of innocence and haven't been convicted of breaking any law?

BTW, if you were involved in a contested Assembly primary election would you want Schroeder to pay for a single targeted hit piece against you?

Of course not. Then again, I wouldn't want anyone to pay for any negative mail against me. Do you know of any candidate who does?

It's strange, though not unexpected, that some commenters would take my skepticism toward the belief that Central Committee members acted from fear of Schroeder to mean I don't believe Schroeder to be powerful.

d'Anconia

Mike is a pro, there is no doubt about that. It would be hard to find someone with the same level of political sophistication, and acumen (thank you anon) in this county.

As I've pointed out in the past (and was accused of making "threats" for), politicos in Orange County can either be on Schroeder's side of an issue, against him, or neutral.

It's safe to say that it pays off for people to either side with him or remain neutral; hence the reason why Bucher's comments are so out of the ordinary.

What many people see as a "courageous" act against the "poison" in our party, I see it as opportunism. Mark has been on the other side of a couple issues against Schroeder for a while, but it wasn't until the latest media barrage against him that Mark decided to fire a shot across the bow.

Call me cynical but it seems pretty transparent to me. The New Majority and the Lincoln Club don't like inner party squabbles and they complain to Baugh, who in term needs someone to do his dirty work for him in order to maintain a level of "neutrality". Bucher is that guy. It may pay off for him in the short term as he gains favor from Baugh and the donor community, but as I said before: for every action, there's a reaction.

There IS such a thing as unintended consequences, and in this specific occasion I believe Bucher is the one who will learn a lesson or two about politics.

My 2 cents.

Greed and Ambition

Mike Schroeder has power because greedy and ambitious politicos think of themselves first. Subsequently it is their weakness that provides him with an opportunity to influence them. That's the business of politics folks. If any of you believe that the RCC would be virtuous if Mike were gone then you're seriously blinded.

Mike may be shrewd and skilled at manipulation but that doesn't mean he is to be feared in the physical or personal sense. He plays hardball, but within the rules of politics. When he plays that way for the good of the Party, then nobody complains or accuses him of wrongdoing.

Greenhut's drama piece is disingenuous at best. Republicans are not cowed by Schroeder, they are simply trying to gain his influence. Greed and power folks Greed and Power is what makes the wheels turn for him.

Been Around

Schroeder is the most overrated "guru" around. He strongly backed union candidate Ken Maddox over John Campbell for State Senate, and lost. He then tried to stop John Campbell from going to Congress, and he lost again. He worked behind the scenes to stop Mimi Walters in her first election, and failed. Rackauckas and Carona both respectively had real consultants (John Lewis and Dave Gilliard) run their early, tough races. It was only after they were entrenched incumbents that Schroeder came along (and their troubles started!). The rumor is that the Romney people won't put up with him for much longer. He is a bully, yes, and he is adept at smoke and mirrors, but that is all.

redperegrine

Oh my, my, Jubal. You said:

"On the contrary, it does matters whether a person is acting out of cowardice or pragmatism, not the least because they are very different things."

Absolutely wrong - if the result is the same it doesn't make a nickel's worth of difference. But this is an aside, really.

With regard to the "party of principle" you asked:

"Why is that? Because they didn't provide you with the outcome you desired?"

The outcome I desire is a Sheriff NOT under Federal indictment; who doesn't pal around with mobsters; who doesn't appoint unqualified cronies to be Assistant Sheriff - and then claim he was duped by them; who doesn't fraternize with Russian "interpreters"; who doesn't bare his backside to photographers; whose wife isn't schlepping for campaign donors for her part-time husband; and a Central Committee who is willing to stand up and say being County Sheriff is not a God-given right - it's even something of an honor; an honor that requires a level of behavior above that of an over-sexed fourteen year-old. What outcome do you want?

To top it off, you added:

"It's strange, though not unexpected, that some commenters would take my skepticism toward the belief that Central Committee members acted from fear of Schroeder to mean I don't believe Schroeder to be powerful."

So how does this guy's "power" manifest itself, in your opinion? Through friendly persuasion? By lofty moral or philosophical principles?

Answer that question honestly and maybe you'll understand why I find your post more than just a little disengenuous.

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