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November 05, 2007

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ODE TO CARONA (revised)

ODE TO CARONA (revised)

You are clownlike, happiest on your hands,feet to the stars, and moon-skulled, gilled like a fish.

A common-sense thumbs-down on the dodo's mode. Wrapped up in yourself like a spool, trawling your dark, as owls do.

Mute as a turnip from the Fourth Of July to All Fools' Day, O high-riser, my little loaf.

Vague as fog and looked for like mail.

Farther off than Pau Pau Guana. Bent-backed Atlas, our traveled prawn.

Snug as a bud and at home Like a sprat in a pickle jug.

A creel of eels, all ripples.

Jumpy as a Mexican bean.

Right, like a well-done sum.

A clean slate, with your own face, for your Puppet Master is lost never to race.

rebecca

Damn man....thats profound.

If your name is on this list, you owe county voters an apology:

Sheriff Carona is honored to be endorsed by thousands of Sheriff's Department personnel. Sheriff Carona's re-election is also endorsed by:

(Partial Listing)

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger

Lou Correa, 1st District OC Supervisor
Jim Silva, 2nd District OC Supervisor
Bill Campbell, 3rd District OC Supervisor
Chris Norby, 4th District OC Supervisor
Tom Wilson, 5th District OC Supervisor
Tony Rackauckas, OC District Attorney
David Sundstrom, OC Auditor/Controller
Tom Daly, OC Clerk/Recorder
John Moorlach, OC Treasurer
Bill Habermehl, Superintendent OC Board of Education

Ed Royce, 40th District US Congressman
Gary Miller, 42nd District US Congressman
Dana Rohrabacher, 46th District US Congressman

Bob Margett, 29th District State Senator
Dick Ackerman, 33rd District State Senator
Bill Morrow, 38th District State Senator

Van Tran, 68th District State Assemblyman
Chuck DeVore, 70th District State Assemblyman
Todd Spitzer, 71st District State Assemblyman
Lynn Daucher, 72nd District State Assemblywoman

Lee Baca, Los Angeles County Sheriff
Bernard Keric, former New York City Police Commissioner
Scott Baugh, Chairman OC Republican Party
Tom Fuentes, Chairman Emeritus OC Republican Party
Bruce Herschensohn, Political Commentator
Michael Schroeder, Past Chairman CA Republican Party
Paul Walters, Santa Ana Police Chief

Orange County Republican Party
California Repulican Assembly
State Coalition of Probation Organizations
National Latino Peace Officers Association, Orange County Chapter
Orange County Employee’s Association
Crime Victims United

Greg Ficke, Aliso Viejo Councilmember
Cynthia Pickett-Adams, Aliso Viejo Mayor Pro-Tem
Karl Warkomski, Aliso Viejo Mayor
Carmen Vali-Cave, Aliso Viejo Mayor
Harry Sidhu, Anaheim Councilmember
Tom Tait, Anaheim Former Councilmember
Curt Pringle, Anaheim Mayor
Marty Simonoff, Brea Mayor Pro-Tem
Bill Lentini, Brea Councilmember
Jim Dow, Buena Park Councilmember
Donald McCay, Buena Park Councilmember
Gary Monahan, Costa Mesa Mayor Pro-Tem
Phil Luebben, Cypress Mayor Pro-Tem
Frank McCoy, Cypress Councilmember
Todd Seymour, Cypress Councilmember
Russ Chilton, Dana Point Mayor Pro-Tem
Diane Harkey, Dana Point Councilmember
Wayne Rayfield, Dana Point Councilmember
Guy Carrozzo, Fountain Valley Councilmember
John Collins, Fountain Valley Councilmember
Larry Crandall, Fountain Valley Councilmember
Don Bankhead, Fullerton Mayor Pro-Tem
Dick Jones, Fullerton Councilmember
Shawn Nelson, Fullerton Councilmember
Leland Wilson, Fullerton Mayor
Bill Dalton, Garden Grove Mayor
Keith Bohr, Huntington Beach Councilmember
Gil Coerper, Huntington Beach Mayor Pro-Tem
Don Hansen, Huntington Beach Councilmember
Steven Choi, Irvine Councilmember
Christina Shea, Irvine Councilmember
Todd Beamish, La Habra Councilmember
James Gomez, La Habra Mayor Pro-Tem
Steve Anderson, La Habra Councilmember
Steve Simonian, La Habra Mayor
Elizabeth Pearson-Schneider, Laguna Beach Mayor
Joel Lautenschleger, Laguna Hills Councilmember
Randal Bressette, Laguna Hills Councilmember
Craig Scott, Laguna Hills Mayor
Paul Glaab, Laguna Niguel Councilmember
Mike Whipple, Laguna Niguel Councilmember
Joe Brown, Laguna Niguel Councilmember
Brenda Ross, Laguna Woods Mayor
Kathryn McCullough, Lake Forest Councilmember
Marcia Rudolph, Lake Forest Councilmember
Peter Herzog, Lake Forest Councilmember
Richard Dixon, Lake Forest Mayor
John Paul Ledesma, Mission Viejo Councilmember
Frank Ury, Mission Viejo Mayor Pro-Tem
Trish Kelley, Mission Viejo Councilmember
Lance MacLean, Mission Viejo Mayor
Leslie Daigle, Newport Beach Councilmember
Tod Ridgeway, Newport Beach Councilmember
Mark Murphy, Orange Mayor
Carolyn Cavecche, Orange Mayor Pro-Tem
Norm Eckenrode, Placentia Councilmember
Chris Lowe, Placentia Councilmember
Tony Beall, Rancho Santa Margarita Mayor Pro-Tem
Neil Blais, Rancho Santa Margarita Councilmember
Gary Thompson, Rancho Santa Margarita Councilmember
Jim Thor, Rancho Santa Margarita Mayor
Joe Anderson, San Clemente Councilmember
Sam Allevato, San Juan Capistrano Mayor Pro-Tem
Diane Bathgate, San Juan Capistrano Councilmember
Joe Soto, San Juan Capistrano Councilmember
David Swerdlin, San Juan Capistrano Mayor
Colleen Campbell, San Juan Capistrano Former Councilmember
Wyatt Hart, San Juan Capistrano Councilmember
Ablerta Christy, Santa Ana Councilmember
Miguel Pulido, Santa Ana Mayor
John Larson, Seal Beach Mayor Pro-Tem
Al Ethans, Stanton Councilmember
Brian Donahue, Stanton Mayor
Jerry Amante, Tustin Councilmember
Tracy Worley Hagen, Tustin Mayor Pro-Tem
Lou Bone, Tustin Councilmember
Doug Davert, Tustin Mayor
Bob Bell, Villa Park Councilmember
Richard Freschi, Villa Park Councilmember
Frank Fry, Westminster Councilmember
Kermit Marsh, Westminster Councilmember
Margie Rice, Westminster Mayor
Allen Castellano, Yorba Linda Mayor Pro-Tem
Mike Duvall, Yorba Linda Mayor
Ken Ryan, Yorba Linda Councilmember
Keri Lynn Wilson, Yorba Linda Councilmember

rebecca

Thats a whole lot of Mea Culpa's bro!

November 05, 2007 at 08:12 PM

08:12 PM,

Nobody on this list owes county voters an apology! Con artists are just that, CON ARTISTS! They are professional sociopaths in deceiving their loves ones, professional peers and anyone else that unfortunately comes into their lives. IF ANYONE OWES AN APOLOGY, IT'S CORONA. Get real for God's sake! In fact, you owe an apology to everyone on this blog.

a voter

So, do the 50% plus of OC voters who re-elected a scandal-dogged Sheriff also owe county voters an apology?

08:24 PM,

Claiming to be duped is the easy way out. When his own deputies refused to endorse the sheriff, red flags should have been noted.

a voter

As I recall, about 43% of the deputies voted to endorse Carona. The union was split between Carona and Hunt. But your point is taken.

rich white guy

Sheriff Carona: He is OUR SHERIFF until he ain't - One Rich White Guy's Opinion!

"MAY HAVE" EQUALS "MAY NOT HAVE": A firestorm was created this week when the disturbing news broke about our Sheriff, Mike Carona, being indicted by a Federal Grand Jury on numerous counts of misconduct related to actions he may have taken before and during his term as Sheriff of Orange County.

THEATRE AND POLITICAL ADVANTAGE: The firestorm generated lots of theatre amongst the usual suspects in Orange County political circles where covering ones' ass by distancing themselves from the troubled becomes foremost of importance to them. Next, comes those that will seek to take advantage of a weakened political opponent in order to gain personally what they could not get when the playing field was level. Turkey buzzards would have a hard time getting through to the carcass with all the politicians and hacks hovering around!

"BAD PERSON": Yea, let's propose more laws and issue more self-aggrandizing press releases about how much was done in response to the "bad person" now found amongst us.

JESUS FOR A MOMENT: Politicians that have been working with and around each other for years suddenly find the "Jesus moment" in a split-second after the sh+t has hit the fan.

PULL THE CARPET, ON THREE: Moments like these help clarify why the public disdains politicians as they watch them claim the moral high ground while simultaneously pulling the carpet from underneath the fallen comrade. A finger-pointing politician is almost as helpful to solving a problem as having a bored ten-year kid with matches hanging around the neighborhood.

DON'T SHOOT THE SHERIFF: The media is all over a story like this, as well. Of course, Mike Carona has been tried and convicted by most of these folks well before the recent events in Federal Court -- which only served as the "I told you so" part of the story. There are less flies on the potato salad at a summer picnic than there are reporters, editorialists and bloggers on this story all clamoring for the "I Shot the Sheriff Pulitzer Prize." But, one question that has been ignored is this: "HOW do we ensure that a law enforcement officer, like Mike Carona, gets the same standard of Due Process of law as any other ordinary citizen?"

HIGHER STANDARDS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHY?: Forgetting for a moment that many in this county use the words but disregard what it means to have a higher standard for law enforcement personnel -- some say that the Sheriff has a higher standard of conduct expected of him and that any accusation of misconduct is reason enough for him to be sent to the career bone yard, to the poor house, or even to the slammer! Yet, during every single day in this land every citizen has the right to due process of law and equal protection under the law! There is not one set of rights for cops and another set for everyone else. There's one! There are not "higher or lower" standards of justice for cops accused of crimes. There's one! while we expect a "higher standard" of personal conduct from cops -- at the end of the day we live and breathe under the same laws of this land as everyone else.

EQUAL JUSTICE: "Equal justice under the law" does not exclude law enforcement officers who find themselves sitting behind the table across the aisle in a courtroom! When fallible human beings who also happen to be police officers enter a courtroom they too are entitled to the same protections that they gave to others during a career of public service where only a judge or jury are allowed to take these rights away.

AN ARREST IS A SIMPLE FORMALITY AND DOES EQUATE TO GUILT: A cop's duty to ensure due process to the accused lasts throughout the criminal justice process. It begins with an investigation and does not stop with an arrest. It doesn't end at arraignment. An arrest and an arraignment are only pit stops in the judicial race towards the finish line known as a conviction. It doesn't stop because the accused has been convicted in the press or in the court of public opinion. It's a long race and it's our job to finish the race!

OUR SHERIFF STILL MAY BE INNOCENT, EVEN IF FOUND GUILTY: Because accusations cannot be proven true beyond a reasonable doubt outside a courtroom our job will be harder if justice is denied because we will never know whether our Sheriff was innocent or not!
It'll be almost impossible to really know if he betrayed his oath of office and our trust unless he gets his right to justice that includes a presumption of innocence outside the courtroom and a fair impartial trial once inside.

RACE (THE RUNNING KIND): The race has only started and the truth may only be known at the end of it! In order to know the facts and in order to render our own personal feelings we must demand that a fellow law enforcement officer gets his day in court under the same standard of due process that we would demand for ourselves if we were unfortunate enough to be in his circumstance.
That includes the knowledge that FACTS today are still only "allegations" and that the Sheriff retains the presumption of innocence TODAY and every day until he is guilty in a court of law!

GULLIBLE OR CULPABLE, DEAL WITH IT: We must know if Sheriff Carona was "felony gullible" or "felony culpable." IF the Sheriff of Orange County has a higher standard of conduct expected of him then only the highest standard of jurisprudence should be used to adjudicate him. Mike Carona came in as Sheriff and gets to go out with his boots on. There cannot be any rush to judgement in this case. It must be done right. Step-by-step. No short-cuts. No compromises. No opinion polls or votes of no confidence. Nope. Even a cop gets his day in court. And an elected Sheriff is still a cop. Deal with it! The Sheriff decided today to continue on as Sheriff while he goes through the judicial process. He doesn't need to ask for a presumption of innocence -- he is entitled to it and he gets it as a birthright under the Constitution of the United States of America!

EXECUTIVE DECISION: It isn't the first decision he has had the exclusive authority to make and it will not now be his last. A resignation, at this point, will do little to make the pain or the disappointment go away and it certainly will not do anything to quiet anti-law enforcement types who will attempt to paint all of us with the same brush stroke. A courtroom trial would do much more to separate one's personal conduct away from an entire agency's reputation. If the Sheriff decides to have his guilt determined by a jury of his peers he absolutely has that right to do so and we, as cops should treat his right to due process under law as if it was our own. Through our oath of office, it is in many ways. Then and ONLY THEN will we know IF a fellow cop failed our law enforcement profession.

ONE OF US: Until a verdict is rendered against Mike Carona, he is still one of us and he should be treated as such. At the end of his press conference today, Sheriff Carona said he was going back to work. It won't hurt anything if we all did as well!

CC

LEAVE MICHAEL CARONA ALONE!

How friggin dare anyone out there make fun of Michael after all he has been through.

He lost his mistress(es), will probably be going through a divorce. He has a friggin kid.

It turns out that he has been used, cheated on, and he is battling custody and control of his department. All you people care about is…..... readers and making money off of him.

HE’S A HUMAN! What you don’t realize is that Michael is making you all this money and all you do is write a bunch of crap about him.

He hasn’t been able to perform. His song should be called “give me more”, because all you people want is MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE.

LEAVE HIM ALONE! You are lucky he even performed for you BASTARDS in the past!

LEEEAVE MICHAAAELL ALLLLLONE!…..Please.

Rich White Guy talked about professionalism and said that Michael is a professional and would’ve pulled it off no matter what.

Speaking of professionalism, when is it professional to publically bash someone who is going through a hard time.

Leave Michael Alone Please…. Leave Michael Carona alone…right now….I MEAN IT!

Anyone that has a problem with him you deal with me, beacuse he is not well right now.

LEAVE HIM ALONE!

I don't think that each of the above people owes anyone an apology, that idea is absurd. However, I do think they should be contacted now and asked if they think Carona should resign.

That's Not The Only List

10:32 AM,

Let's not forget about the lists/endorsements from Carona's prior elections as well. The list above is not the only list you should be concerned about. I would think you would want anyone that has EVER endorsed Carona to give an apology. Once a snake always a snake wouldn't you agree?

thinstar dimming

Rich White Guy, aka THINSTAR: High Standard For Law Enforcement - YES.......Except For Sheriff Carona.

Thinstar seems to have forgotten his "Counterpoints" agruement he made against Steven Greenhut date November 21, 2005, concerning police abuse.

Let us recount some of Thinstar's then comments regarding Law Enforcement Higher Standards:

"At the end of the day what truly matters is what the judges and juries have to say after a complete review of all the facts and evidence underlying any particular incident."

"Police departments sort through hundreds of applicants in order to find one recruit to hire. This means that these applicants must meet high standards of ethical conduct before they even get hired."

".......the new police officer now must meet the ethical standard daily. This is because the standard of ethical conduct is a career-long journey that transcends professional work and includes personal life, as well."

"......police departments examine the personal and professional conduct of each member of the department on a continuous basis"

"I think that police officers are held to a higher standard and we do face extra punishments because of our positions as police officers."

Stand By Your Man Loretta Lynn.....errrr....Sarge. Happy 2-year anniversary.....I can't wait for your 2009 flip!

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