Bucher vs Schroeder

This is the last two rounds in a series based on emails exchanged between Mark Bucher and Mike Schroeder. There have been a couple of comments about publishing such emails. However, given the identities and number of big wig OC politicos copied during the exchange, it was clear that the authors knew the exchange was heading for debate in the public arena. And debate it we shall.  Click here for the first three rounds.

Round Four: Schroeder is on the Ropes.

Email from Bucher to Schroeder:
and 13 (one new one) other email addresses.
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 6:43 PM
Subject: RE: Latest Trung tactic

Mike,

The central point is, or should be, about whether it is appropriate to be attacking an incumbent in this fashion and on these grounds. You have chosen to make it both public and about personalities instead. Mike, everyone who disagrees with you is not your enemy. You took it to this level, not me.

Regarding supportive press quotes – Orange County Register, April 17, 2006 "I support Sheriff Carona," committee member Mark Bucher said. "But I am not in favor of endorsement do-overs."

As to me attacking you in a previous email, I have pasted the only email I believe I have sent you in this issue at the end of this email. Not only was it a private email to just you and Van, but I hardly consider it to be an attack on you. I will let the growing list of recipients to this exchange judge for themselves.

Finally, I am still waiting for you to defend your attacks on me as per my last email. Specifically:

1. Please show us all where I “attacked” Carona in the press.

2. Please identify who I lied to and when. 

3. Please explain how it suits me politically to be supporting Janet on the basis that she is the incumbent Republican. She was not my first, second or even third choice for this seat. She is vulnerable in the next election, and it would actually be a poor calculation on my part to be supporting her if I was doing it for political purposes. I am willing to give a voice to what many others are saying in private. I know that is unusual, precisely because it is often not the best thing to do politically.

Mark

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Email sent to Mike and Van on 7/25/07:

Mike and Van,

I have talked to several people privately about this, so it seems appropriate to discuss it openly with you. I am convinced that if Trung runs against Janet, it greatly increases the chances that we will have a Democrat as our next Supervisor. I also consider challenges to sitting Republicans something that should only be done in extreme circumstances and relative to the manner in which an elected official has voted or otherwise conducted themselves while in office.

Janet was not my first choice for this office, but she has done nothing while in office to justify a Republican based challenge of her.

Regardless of your personal differences and/or bitterness over losing, it simply is not worth risking having another Democrat as a Supervisor in order to settle this score. Until I can be shown otherwise, however, I can only conclude that continued support for Trung is placing your own interest in controlling that seat over what is best for the Republican cause overall. Many people are saying the same thing among themselves, but, as usual, would rather gossip about it behind your backs than approach you directly.

I encourage you to contact me about this. If there is something I am missing here, I invite you to share it with me. Even if we just air opposing views, a conversation regarding this would probably be healthy.

Mark Bucher

Announcer: Bucher lands a powerful uppercut. He was actually quoted as saying “I support Carona.” Schroeder’s claim that he did not support Carona and “attacked” him in the press appears to be false. Bucher also repeats his challenge for Schroeder to back up his personal attacks on Bucher. Schroeder ignored this challenge last time and challenged Bucher to defend himself, which he did. Schroeder had better come up with some support for his rhetoric soon, or this match is OVER!

Email from Schroeder to Bucher:
and 13 other email addresses.
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: Lastest Trung tactic

Mark: Am in London and this conversation has become some what circular. Am glad that you are a committed member of team Carona now. The answers to your questions are already set forth below. Mike

Announcer: Schroeder appears to be down for the count! He apparently cannot defend any of what he said. He plays the “world traveler” card and tries to feign being too busy to provide specifics to support his allegations. Surely if he had anything to back up his personal attacks on Bucher he would have brought it out by now.

Round Five: Schroeder Down for the Count.

Email from Bucher to Schroeder:
and 13 other email addresses.
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:45 PM
Subject: RE: Latest Trung tactic

I accept your apology.

Announcer: It looks like this one is over. No response, no sign of life from Schroeder. The crowd goes wild.

Comments

[Chris Crocker]

Leave Mike Schroeder alone…leave him alone! He is just a human, he has ideas that he knows is important and opinions people should hear about other people. He-he loves his grandmother, and he's going thru a tough time.. that law practice didn't build itself, he had to build that himself, he put all those pictures up after buying and collecting them all. Did you do that?! You did'nt do that….. you can't talk about someone when you are not willing to do what they do.. you hve not spent a mile walking in his sneakers, or platforms or pumps,or I dont know what he wears, but I bet its stylish… screw you, you judgemental people…he is dealing with a lot right now, you don't know make fun of him, if you wanna make fun of him you are gonna have to go thru me…and I am tough to go thru cuz I am tangable. Leave him alone. Leave him alone!

[tim]

Andy Dufrense, the man who crawled through piles of vile emails and came out on the other side...entertaining!

Great post, even for someone who is on the other side (Yes I am a proud Democrat and avid reader of this blog...). Political theatre is great no matter what side you reside on!

Thanks for the post

When the heck are you going to post round five? I got a jones for this drama like I get for the Sopranos. Grrrrrrrrrr

Mark Bucher makes excellent points. Some I have been trying to point out myself on this site. But then Shroeder is probably getting paid alot to keep stirring up this pot.