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June 20, 2007



I wonder if the DLSE attorney is truly the idiot his questions make him appear to be or was he doing his best to grasp at straws when he had nothing else to go with.

Dan Chmielewski

Actually, they did have the Internet in 1986 (ARPANET); the World Wide Web can into view in the mid 90s with federal funding secured by Al Gore (look up Vint Cerf+Al Gore on "The Goggle")


What you say is accurate Dan, but since most people don't understand the difference between a search engine and browser[*], I think Jubal's point, that blogging in it's modern form didn't exist in 1986, stands firm.

[*] I kid you not. I asked someone "what browser do you use" and she replied "google."

And now for some joyfully irrelevant nit picking.

1. While it is true that the pieces that became the internet were largely in place in 1986, the concept of "the internet" wasn't. Arpanet was for defense, academics has BITNET, consumers such as me had GEnie, hard core bitheads had BBS's and FIDOnet. The, "Internet Protocol," the IP of TCP/IP, was the standard for Arpanet as of 1983, but people rarely if ever talked about "THE internet" in that era. The 1982 sci-fi neologism "cyberspace" was more common.

2. That said, Blogging has around since at least the time of Pepys: those early blogs were called "Diaries" and used a physical packet representation known as "paper." Wikipedia has more if you didn't know about these primitive technologies

3. Interestingly, blogging did exists in something close to its current form on the BBSs of the era, but only for the rarefied few who could debug their connection usig the sounds their acoustic modem made. Ahhh, sweet nostalgia.....


The lawyer is trying to plant the idea in the juror's mind that Jubal has no expertise since there is no "professional" training or certification for blogging so as to give his testimony very little weight.



I should have mentioned this is not a jury trial, but what is (I think) called a bench trial. I did get the impression he was trying to plant that idea Judge Fell's mind -- and also that he wasn't succeeding.


I love it: A slashdot style debate on OC Blog.

TylerH is essentially correct and Dan is somewhat off base.

In technical terms, ARPANET is a precurrsor the Internet. In common terms, the two are completely different.

While ARPANET goes back to the '60s, HTTP as a protocol wasn't even invented until 1989. The "world wide web" (definately a common term that really bugs me) didn't really start to existing until '96 or so.

ARPANET is only similar to the "INTERNET" in terms of topography and the way various systems interconnect but the use of these connections between now and then is infinitely different.


"...but what is (I think) called a bench trial. I did get the impression he was trying to plant that idea Judge Fell's mind -- and also that he wasn't succeeding."

Yes, a bench trial, or court trial. Of course he wasn't succeeding--everyone reads Red County.

And, guys, you're all wrong--everyone knows Al Gore invented the Internet. :)

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