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February 27, 2007

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Schroeder should be disbared

What a joke. This is pure legal mush. The judge is going to laugh him out of court.

One Who Knows

I am willing to bet anyone $10 (with the winnings going to charity) that Schroeder prevails and that the Registrar WILL eventually count the machine votes via the paper audit trail.

Any takers?

BTW, if I was the ROV, I'd begin the process tomorrow morning. He's going to have to do it anyway, so why not do it before Janet is sworn in.

cuu chau

The paper audit trail will not make any difference in this race since there is less likely of dispute ballots coming from computerized vote. Most of the votes were for the other candidates. Also, the people that went to vote were actually voting for Janet Nguyen more than Trung. Remember that Trung's scandal with "photoshop" occurred in the last 5 days of the election. That scandal did not hurt Trung
as much since the absentee ballots were already turned in by that time.

Art Pedroza

Will Can change his name to Can't after he loses this case?

Ron Jeremy

He will do it, Art, only if you change your name to F---.

Green Machine

The lawsuit is very hypcritical. In one breath they say all of the votes should be counted (including Trung's votes that were voided)and in another they claim Janet's votes should be voided for various reasons.

No wonder the profession has a bad image.

Bad Liar

"A good lawyer is a great liar"

* Edward Ward

Janet's mistake

What a huge mistake on Janet's side? They gave Trung's campaign an opening to win in court. How stupid?

The Board of Sups agreed with Trung's campaign and voted 4-0 to delay the swear-in.

All of them have been very thoughtful during this process. Supervisor Campbell made a very valid point today. Why go to the trouble of warning voters about making additional marks and not mention that those markings would void the ballot.

I suspect that is reason enough to count those votes. It is an issue of fairness.

flowerszzz

Chuu - not true! THe Buzz talks about one case where a bunch of electronic votes were not counted in the final tallies and were caught by the paper read later.

If every disputed ballot deserves consideration for its legality, every vote cast deserve an equal e

An audit of the paper trail ballot could change the outcome?

Why can't the Trung campaign contest the votes by people whose signatures don't match with those signatures on their orginal registration card?

I worked a polling location and found some people who came and just signed the "sign in book" with a squiggly line. After all didn't some absentee ballots get thrown out because signatures did not match. Let's review how many signatures signed at the polling locations match those on the sign in booklet.

If there is alot of inconsistency in signatures,could we have this race outcome voided?

After all, if every legal vote matters, why exclud an examination of ballots cast in person.

Simply replicating the same procedures that resulted in the election day votes is applying a different standard than that standard applied in the examination of disputed ballots.

You can't examine the disputed ballots differently than the undisputed ballots. What makes a disputed ballot have greater merit for review than a undisputed ballot?

Trung needs to ask for a complete recount of every cast ballot. Anything less is not recount, but a selective recount that gives merit to the examination of disputed ballots.

In that case, the ROv should just call drop the term recount and consider naming this process a review of disputed absentee ballots.

Besides, I'm not into a representative that boasts about being supported by people who hate Mexicans. Absolutely, racist propaganda!



If every disputed ballot deserves consideration for its legality, every vote cast deserve an equal e

An audit of the paper trail ballot could change the outcome?

Why can't the Trung campaign contest the votes by people whose signatures don't match with those signatures on their orginal registration card?

I worked a polling location and found some people who came and just signed the "sign in book" with a squiggly line. After all didn't some absentee ballots get thrown out because signatures did not match. Let's review how many signatures signed at the polling locations match those on the sign in booklet.

If there is alot of inconsistency in signatures,could we have this race outcome voided?

After all, if every legal vote matters, why exclud an examination of ballots cast in person.

Simply replicating the same procedures that resulted in the election day votes is applying a different standard than that standard applied in the examination of disputed ballots.

You can't examine the disputed ballots differently than the undisputed ballots. What makes a disputed ballot have greater merit for review than a undisputed ballot?

Trung needs to ask for a complete recount of every cast ballot. Anything less is not recount, but a selective recount that gives merit to the examination of disputed ballots.

In that case, the ROv should just call drop the term recount and consider naming this process a review of disputed absentee ballots.

Besides, I'm not into a representative that boasts about being supported by people who hate Mexicans. Absolutely, racist propaganda!



Dave Swanson

Does anyone else find it ironic that most of the regular liberal commenters on this blog (Green Machine, Bladerunner, DanC, Commie Girl) have come out to denounce Trung and seem to have sided with Janet? I can even throw Art Pedroza in that mix, since he has renounced the GOP. This should give us a clear indication that she has sold out to the unions, and those on the left...

Hey maybe Dave Shawver can be her Chief of Staff!!!

Bladerunner

Dave--I haven't said squat about either Trung or Janet post election. I believe each candidate has the right to take steps they feel are necessary--within the law--to ensure that it is a valid election. They(or their attorneys) may look foolish or inconsistent in doing so but its all part of the process. In an election this close it was understandable that janet would request a recount and now that the result is flipped it's no surprise that Trung will challenge the results following that recount. In fact, if the Dark Lord would have suggested that Trung drop any challenge for the "good of the GOP" I would have been shocked. A court will most likely decide the issue. Lawyers will either get rich or some ink, or both. It's the American way.

I do find it comical that so many Republicans who were aghast at Al Gore for challenging the results of the Florida results in 2000 have now morphed into their own brand of Soreloserman.

Art Pedroza

Dave,

Well, I am a card-carrying member of the AFL-CIO!

Dave Swanson

Blade, sorry, I thought I recalled reading a comment by you. I was mistaken.

Art, I'm not surprised.

Green Machine

Dave,

I take exception to your "most liberal" label of me. You know little of my personal political views and you are mistaken if you think I'm part of the democratic machine.

I am registered as and vote Republican in all partisan races. I admit that I was looking for a candidate that supported the Association of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs in the Supervisors race, but that hardly qualifies me as a liberal.

I don't know enough about Janet or Trung to line up behind either one. I do think Trung's people are a bit hypocritical and I voiced an opinion about that. By your estimate, that means I'm in bed with Janet (figuratively speaking)...wrong! It also means I'm a liberal...wrong!

Not more than a few days back, the local pundits said the Republican party was the winner irregardless of who won this recount. Your support of Trung has caused you to make irrational and innaccurate comments.

Dave Swanson

Green Machine, I haven't backed anyone in this race...I just was making an observation.

Green Machine

I was making the same "observation" when I said you were supporting Trung that you were when you called me a liberal poster. Maybe we should both recant :)

redperegrine

GM: "I admit that I was looking for a candidate that supported the Association of Orange County Deputy Sheriffs in the Supervisors race, but that hardly qualifies me as a liberal."

Um, Green Machine, did you vote for Umberg? That would qualify you as a liberal. Not that there's anything wrong with that - if that's what you are.

clprevatt

While I understand the OCBlog is for the most part the voice of the far right side of the Republican Party, I do have to take issue with the constant characterization of “Liberal as a dirty word. Liberals stand for:

Freedom...
...of conscience

You have the right to think as you wish.

...of religion
You have the right to worship as you please. The government has no business either supporting or opposing religion in general or any specific religion.

...of speech
You have the right to express your views, whatever they may be. Only in the free marketplace of ideas can truth emerge.

Civil rights
All people are equal under the law. Any type of discrimination based on race, ethnicity, religion, disability, sexual orientation, or gender is not only inconsistent with a free and civil society, but is immoral as well.

Universal public education
Equality of opportunity requires all Americans to have access to a basic education consistent with maintaining informed citizenship and the ability to participate fully in society.

Tolerance of Differences
Because we are all unique beings, with different skills, needs, and wants, we must respect the life choices of others as long as their life choices do not infringe on the rights enjoyed by other citizens.

A Social Safety Net
Recognizing that circumstances beyond mortal control play a part in all our lives, a basic social safety net shall be available to all who need it, not as a permanent lifestyle, but rather as a helping hand to get back on one's feet.

Employees' Rights
We spend most of our lives working. Work is the foundation of our economy and a major part of the glue holding together communities. The employee is an equal business partner with the employer, and as such, has the right to collectively bargain for terms of employment.

Environmental Protection
Contrary to some people's opinions, it is possible to both protect the environment and sustain economic growth. We support taking all reasonable and responsible steps to protect the environment and the species contained therein.

Strong Families
The family is the primary social unit in America. It must be respected, and encouraged in all its forms. Government should make policy with this in mind.

Responsibility
With rights come responsibilities. Exercising our rights means taking responsibility for our actions, and their effects on others.

Free Enterprise
The capitalist economic system is the most efficient solution to providing for peoples' wants and needs. Government's role is that of a regulator, not a controller of industry, and any regulation must only be for the good of society as a whole, and not for the benefit of any one entity.

Rule of Law
Law is the framework in which society operates. There can be no society without justice. Justice means that those who commit crimes must be made to answer for them, and that the criminal code is fair and wisely constructed. When criminal actions go unpunished, respect for the law weakens. The law applies to all, including all agents of the government.

...most importantly, Progress
Progress is what Liberalism really means; moral progress, economic progress, and social progress to benefit all humanity. This represents the path towards a better world. At its heart, Liberalism is an optimistic philosophy.

The founders of this nation were LIBERALS. Their beliefs were contrary to the conservative beliefs of their time. To oppose the rule of the British Monarch over the American Colonies was about as liberal a position as you could get.

The Real Liberals

Chris:

Liberal was not a dirty word when it described what is now known as classic liberalism or modern day libertarianism.

Modern liberalism is little different from socialism.

You mention freedom of speech. It is modern liberals who define as hate speech anything they disagree with.

Freedom of religion to a modern liberal is freedom from religion.

It is modern liberals who want to destroy families by allowing gay marriage (uh oh - that is hate speech).

Modern liberals have crippled public education by protecting inferior teachers and blocking attempts at vouchers.

You are wrong on virtually every point but Unlike you, I'm not a government employee so I don't have time to flush out all of these ideas during my workday.

Morning Coffee

redperegrine-

I'm not sure that voting for Umberg, in this *particular* election, automatically makes someone a liberal. Several folks (Rep's) I spoke to said they thought it was a horse race between him & Janet, and just preferred him over Janet.

When I brought up Carlos, they just rolled their eyes. RHINO's? Maybe. But more likely just unhappy with the field of Rep front runners and the fact that the Party was split into so many factions.

redperegrine

Well, Chris, it all sounds super, too good to be true, in fact. What you libs, er, "progressives" seem to leave out is the ever increasing metastasis of government and the concommitant cost. That's the battle ground between true conservatives and true liberals. Liberals hardly ever look backward to see the disasters in their wake (too busy being Optimistic); rather the formula is - if only we had spent more it would have worked. The other mantra is that government is always the solution to problems. Worst is of all is the belief that government action maintains a kind of aura of moral goodness and righteousness about it. Your own post is oozing with the usual sentiment.

The founders of the USA were indeed "liberal" in the historical context of opposing arbitrary and unrepresented rule. They also believed wholeheartedly in limited government with necessary controls to keep it in check. They viewed government as a necessary evil that had to be constantly watched for usurpation of authority.

Now "One Who Knows" is going to post a definition of "bloviation."

redperegrine

Morning Coffee - A genuine conservative would never have voted for Umberg - especially if the supposed motivation were merely a dissatisfaction with the other candidates. It's true that the Republican candidates were not much to get excited about. But your Reep friends could have voted for Kermit Marsh (for instance) in protest, or even left the ballot blank.

Rolling their eyes at the mention of Carlos doesn't make your friends RINOs; voting for Umberg does.

rebecca

Dave, I couldn't care less whether it's Janet or Trung. All I did was laugh at some Trung supporters calling Janet a bad loser . . . when she was ahead. If her supporters had done the same thing, I would have dinged them on it too.

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