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November 02, 2006

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Nothing ever changes, indeed

How about some equal time for your old buddies Scott Baugh and Dana Rohrabacher? Your readers deserve to know this sort of stuff has been done time and again on both sides.

Jubal

1) Do not spam the comments with news articles. I don't care which side of the aisle you are on. A hyperlink is fine -- but don't past entire articles in. I've edited your comment accordingly. Please don't do it again.

2)Is this the official DPOC line? "Everybody does it"?

Report both sides

By the way, how much are Westminster slumlord Frank Jao and his buddies spending on an illegal IE to attempt to buy the Irvine City Council?

More than the $60,000 you seem outraged by in the 34th.

Jubal

I don't know how much. But John Duong isn't a Trojan Horse Dem run by the Reps to draw votes from Krom.

regardless of whether one thinks the Bade Trojan Horse tactic is fine or slimy, it's completely different from Jao's IE in Irvine.

You're just trying to muddy the waters.

Report both sides

They're already muddy.

You're just trying to report one side of the story.

Jubal

No, I'm reporting on an IE done by Democrats for a GOP write-in candidate that could tip the balance -- which is much different than any number of IE slates being done around OC.

There's a blog over at the DPOC. Blog about it over there.

Elroy El

That's a good point on the GOP having done this in the past. I already pointed out how the Supes did the same thing in the special election. Yet I didn't read a word about it on this blog about how this was an attack on the democratic process.

Are you saying individuals shouldn't be allowed to support individuals? Has anyone spoken to the folks doing the IE's for Bade? Maybe they truly believe he is the correct candidate for the district. Otherwise they'd be spending those resources on Correa. It's just common sense.

Over here your blogpen buddy Keith Carlson says IE's are just that. And from what I can infer you are agreeing with him. So what's your point?

Jubal

That's a good point on the GOP having done this in the past.

What happened to your earlier flirtation with individual responsibility? Now the whole Laruie Campbell episode was something "the GOP" did?

Are you saying individuals shouldn't be allowed to support individuals?
Of course not. I said nothing of the kind.

Has anyone spoken to the folks doing the IE's for Bade?
Bruce Young isn't returning calls for comment.

Maybe they truly believe he is the correct candidate for the district.

You're kidding, right?

Otherwise they'd be spending those resources on Correa. It's just common sense.

No -- common sense tells you an investment of $60,000 in IEs siphoning off GOP votes from your GOP opponent will likely yield a much greater ROI than adding another $60,000 to the millions already spent saturating voters with a "vote for Lou Correa" message.

It's a smart play.

Elroy El

Maybe they truly believe he is the correct candidate for the district.

You're kidding, right?

I guess I have more faith in the voters than you.

Since I haven't been a political insider as long as yourself, I'm just not that jaded. Maybe one day.

Follow the money

What the heck does Judy Ware have against Lynn Daucher? She has given $20K in the last few days through her companies. I thought Judy was a good Republican...I guess trash contracts first, Republican second.

Jubal

El Roy,

The "voters" of which you speak -- the donors to Californians United -- are an array of Sacramento and local special interests.

It's not about being jaded -- it's about using common sense to analyize the situation.

Mark Leyes

This same group supports Angelides for Governor and Jerry Brown for Attorney General - hardly the hallmark of a conservate/Republican agenda.

Bade, you OTTO be ashamed of yourself!

Why do you make reference to the Democratic Party of Orange County (DPOC) when this is an action taken by Californians United and Senator Don Perata?
That's an extremely broad brush you're painting with there, Jubal.

Elroy El

The "voters" of which you speak -- the donors to Californians United -- are an array of Sacramento and local special interests.

It's not about being jaded -- it's about using common sense to analyize the situation.
Isn't it great that folks so far away would be concerned to promote a real conservative down here in OC? Given the bashing of Daucher as a RINO, I would think you would be happy.

Jubal

Elroy:

Now you're just being disingenuous, in which case there's no point in carryin on the discussion.

Elroy El

I remember watching Bill Campbell on the Real Orange during the special election last year. He claimed the Supes put three initiatives on the ballot because his constituents demanded of him there be a choice. Of course he (nor any of the others couldn't name ten constituents who made that demand), but the party line was the voters deserved a choice. And I don't remember anyone on this board crying foul. In fact just the opposite. There was nothing but support on this board for that action.

I am happy that CA United have also given the voters of that district a choice beyond the two candidates being put forth by the party apparatchiks.

I believe in democracy. And I am bewildered by your reaction given your support of the Supes' actions just 12 short months ago.

Bladerunner

We'll see if its a smart play or not but with the amount of money that's being thrown around by both sides I don't think anyone will be fooled. People on this blog and Orange Juice have been beating the Daucher is RINO drum for years.....and now the beast is being fed by below the belt Bruce. But the Buzz reports that most of the first absentees writing in were Dems so, again, we'll see if its a mart play or not.

Jubal

I am happy that CA United have also given the voters of that district a choice beyond the two candidates being put forth by the party apparatchiks.

You've been a full-throated apolgist for the OC Dems, and now they're "party apparatchiks"?

And I am bewildered by your reaction given your support of the Supes' actions just 12 short months ago.

I don't recall saying much of anything about the decision to put the various versions of Measure D on the ballot, so I don't know how you can be "bewildered."

demmother

Since this is a Sacramento IE, what does the DPOC have to do with it? I for one am tired of Sacramento taking a dump in my sandbox and leaving me to clean up the mess.

redperegrine

Oh, Elroy that's a tad disingenuous, don't you think?

BR, I think that was a poll they referred to; Ackerman was reported to be pleased. But I wonder why they were calling Dems. Surely the IE mailers went to Republican voters. Why would Dems write-in Bade? And note also that the results of the poll (other than alleged Bade votes) weren't shared. That's either bad reporting or bad news for Daucher.

Jubal

It may be a bust, but there is so much money available for this race that I don't think another $60K spent in the conventional fashion would make a difference.

But then again, I could be wrong.

"What the heck does Judy Ware have against Lynn Daucher? She has given $20K in the last few days through her companies. I thought Judy was a good Republican...I guess trash contracts first, Republican second."

Of course trash contracts first Bozo...that's her family's business. Do you think she gives out political contributions all over the county because she's just really nice?

Elroy El


I don't recall saying much of anything about the decision to put the various versions of Measure D on the ballot, so I don't know how you can be "bewildered."

Way back here you referred to Supervisor Campbell's three counter initiatives as 'thoughtful'. So I am still bewildered on your criticism of the Bade campaign. I don't understand why the Supervisor's initiatives were 'thoughtful' and Bade's candidacy isn't. Especially considering how Supervisor Norby (whose regularly been called a 'good' conservative) actively campaigned against the initiatives he helped put on the ballot.

So pardon me if I'm just a bit confused by what is clearly a double standard.

Jubal

So pardon me if I'm just a bit confused by what is clearly a double standard.

Pardon granted, El Roy.

I'll put it simply. Campbell put forward three alternatives to Measure D. If voters were to decide on re-slicing the Prop. 172 pie, the Board gave them a few ways to do it.

I don't know how to explain to you that Otto Bade's candidacy isn't "thoughtful." To be candid, I don't think you really are confused. I think you understand perfectly the what and why of Otto Bade's candidacy, and your protestations otherwise are totally insincere.

You are the only person I have encountered, either in person or on this blog, who thinks Otto Bade is running for idealistic reasons. He's not that kind of guy.

Elroy El

Please Jubal. Now you're the one being disingenuous. Or you're outright lying. You are the only person I've encountered that believed Campbell's initiatives were put on the ballot for idealistic reasons. As I've pointed out, Norby helped him put the initiatives on the ballot and then campaigned against all three issues and the firefighters issue. Are you going to tell me with a straight face those three issues would have put on the ballot had the fourth not qualified? We both know the answer. Considering the Board put the Measure M issue on the ballot with no alternatives to decide on re-slicing the Measure M pie. Only one. Where are the other two 'thoughtful' alternatives?

My point being. Bade's candidacy, like Campbell's issues were both put on the ballot for the same reasons. Yet you considered Campbell's issue's 'thoughtful' and Bade's candidacy a Trojan Horse.

They're both Trojan Horses, or they're both 'thougthful'. Those are your words. Not mine or anyone elses.

I don't know Bade. But now you claim he's "not that kind of guy". Yet the GOP supported him two years ago. What "kind of guy" is he? And why would the party that believed in his 'conservative prinicples' not believe in those principles now? What's different? Has he changed in the last two years? I read the IE flyer you posted. His platform seems pretty much in line with the rhetoric I've read on this board in the past. No taxes, no immmigration, balanced budgets. I bet he's not a big fan of unions either. Just guessing.

So why isn't the conservative establishment, or at the very least the activist community backing him? Given the RINO accusations against Daucher that have appeared on this Board over the last couple of years it now seems disingenuous for them to all of a sudden support her and show disdain for someone who they supported as a 'good conservative' just 24 short months ago.

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