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TWISTED LOGIC


POOR OLD MUSLIMS - THEY GET INSULTED - WE GET BEHEADED

The Pope says that jihad violence is against God's nature, and officials fear that in response, Muslims enraged by this insult will commit... jihad violence.
Muslims murder 3,000 innocents in New York and expect no criticism.
Muslims murder 202 tourists in Bali and expect no criticism.
Muslims murder 333 schoolchildren and their teachers in Beslan and expect no criticism.
Muslims murder 292 innocents, mainly Kenyans and Tanzanians at two US Embassies and expect no criticism.
Muslims murder 241 US and 58 French peacekeepers in Beirut and expect no criticism.
Muslims fire 4,000 Katyusha rockets into Northern Israel killing over 50 innocent civilians and expect no criticism.
Muslims murder 52 in London and 191 in Madrid and expect no criticism.
Muslims murder 200 in Mumbai and expect no criticism.
Muslims behead Western hostages in Iraq, Buddhist monks in Thailand and Christian schoolgirls in Indonesia and expect no criticism.
Muslims murder 500,000 in Darfur and expect no criticism.
Muslims regard Jews as 'sons of pigs and monkeys', and vow to nuke Israel and expect no criticism.
Muslims force women to wear hideous sacks, stone to death women for getting raped and for leaving the home unescorted, engage in honor killings of sisters and daughters for unapproved dating, and expect no criticism.
Muslims danced in the streets and handed out sweets to their kids to celebrate the 9/11 atrocity, and still expected no criticism.
Since 9/11 Muslims have killed over 26,000 and wounded over 50,000 in terrorist attacks worldwide since 9/11 and expect no criticism.
Since 9/11 Muslims have committed terrorist attacks in Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Belgium, Chad, Chechnya, Dagestan, Denmark, East Timor, Egypt, England, Eritrea, Ethiopia, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Ingushetia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Jordan-Iraq, Kabardino-Balkans, Kenya, Kosovo, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Mauritania, Morocco, Netherlands, Nigeria, Pakistan, Gaza-Palestinian Authority, Philippines, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Scotland, Somalia, Spain, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Syria, Tajikistan, Thailand, Tunisia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, United Arab Republic, United States, Uzbekistan and Yemen, and still expect no criticism.

Muslims have carried out over 5,800 fatal terrorist atrocities since 9/11, and countless thousands since Islamic conquest began in 623 AD and expect no criticism. But if a Pope dares to tell the truth about Islam or Danes publish cartoons about Mohammed, then let the outpourings of Islamic hate and outrage begin.

And, by some twisted reach of logic, the se arrogant thug s demand the Pope issue an apology.


Chris Prevatt

Jubal you said...

Funny how the Dems so blithely reach back to the 1960s to accuse us Republicans of being racists while conveniently forgetting their dark side as builders and maintainers of segregation, and its staunchest defenders throughout the 1960s. What hypocrites.

What hypocrites indeed. It is the Republican Party and Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy" that welcomed those individuals with open arms when they were purged from the Democratic Party. Those same racists are now the backbone of the Republican Southern Caucus; led by such bigots and racists as Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, and most recently Virginia Senator George Allen.

Yes Jubal, you can be real proud of the company you keep.

Bladerunner

Jubal-I wouldn't have written the release quite the same way nor would I have played the dark side card. But before you let loose with the pavlovian hypocrite scud, note that the Democrats have long since repudiated their dark segregationist side while many Republicans are in a Frogue-like denial stance about theirs.

Patrick Moriarty

Before Strom Thurmond was allowed into a Republican caucus meeting he had to formally renounce segregation in all of its forms on the same Senate floor where LBJ had him filibuster the Civil Rights Act.

When they were in the majority, the Democrats voted to name the newest Senate Office Building after Richard Russell, the architect of the modern defense of Jim Crow laws.

Robert Byrd, a recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan has never renounced segregation -- only that he regrets the embarassment caused to his state by the announcement that he was a member.

By the way, he will be Senate President Pro Tem if the Democrats win the Senate back.

What a firecracker that Barbaro is...

Jubal

...when they were purged from the Democratic Party. Those same racists are now the backbone of the Republican Southern Caucus; led by such bigots and racists as Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, and most recently Virginia Senator George Allen.

CAn you give me some examples Chris? Or are you just deciding this is true, like when you decided a majority of the Westminster School Board members were bigots, without a shred of evidence?

Jubal

...while many Republicans are in a Frogue-like denial stance about theirs.

BR:

You, on the other hand, I respect and would appreciate some examples.

Roastedredpeppers

How quickly the Democrats have forgotten their own demagoguery of the Dubai ports deal.

DanC

you want an example: George Allen. Known to be a racist by classmates at Palos Verdes High School; had Confederate Flags on this car, has painting of Confederate Soldiers in the office and a "noose" in his office (Listen to "Strange Fruit" by Billie Holliday for a reference). Macaca.
Mitchell Freedman has some great examples: http://mitchellfreedman.blogspot.com/2006/08/what-macacca-tells-us-about-modern.html

Andy Favor

Chris,

Maybe the Republicans will disagree with me on this, but in my humble opinion Nixon was no Republican. He, like President Bush, was someone who used the Party to promote their own agenda. Granted I was pretty young at the time, but I don't really see regulating the sizes of food servings food on airlines, and things like the prices of milk as being Republican ideals.

Bladerunner

Jubal--Again, I would not have brought up the GOP's past in that press release. Bad form and it's like dropping your left given the Dem's history(somewhat slanted by old Pat there--hey pat, why not slam the Dems for being in power when the Jefferson memorial went up---he was a slaveowner after all). But to your question.

The Southern Strategy was essentially the GOP getting fat on a racist past. States rights, championed even by the Great Gipper in Philadelphia Mississippi of all places, was a code word for racism. Funny how the GOP has lost its moorings on the states rights issue when it comes to the environment, abortion, gay rights, product liability suits and education, but that's another story.

Then there are those nasty little incidents that pop up like a teenagers acne---Karl Rove's push poll in South Carolina asking about Senator McCain's fathering an illegitimate BLACK child; Bob Jones University; or the poll guards incident here in Red County or the targeting of black precincts intending to hold down turnout in New jersey and Louisiana that led to an injunction against similar actions by the GOP; Tom Tancredo anytime--but probably his singing Dixie behind a confederate flag while lambasting the flood coming across the Rio Grande will do; Prop. 187; Bill Bennett's self-inflicted black infanticide remark; Jessie Helm's ads about affirmative action; Willie Horton; etc. etc.

Alot of the items above can be at least partially explained away on non-racial ground (Bennett REALLY didn't mean it," etc). But more Republicans seemed to rally around the individuals or causes noted above then took them to task.

But don't get me wrong...I don't think the Republican party is racist. It's just sometimes you have to get past denial and then you can move on to solving policy issues. Look at Curt Pringle. He acknowledged his mistake in the 1988 poll guard incident and never looked back. Who even talks about it any more? He's shown that you can be a good conservative leader without having to resort to southern strategy's. Or look at your national GOP leader, Ken Mehlman. Ken went to the NAACP and apologized for the GOP's southern strategy of looking the other way when minorities suffered discrimination and trying to benefit from racial polorization. He admitted the GOP was wrong and that he was there to say the GOP wanted to compete for the African-American vote.

Of course, the Voice of Republicanism, Rush Limbaugh, called Mehlman's apology "absolutely absurd" and suggested that by apologizing to African-Americans for the Southern Strategy " Republicans are going to bend over and grab their ankles."
So after this overly long response, I guess my best example of Frogue-like denial is the Voice of the GOP.

But seriously, Jubal--your top guns get it. The sooner the rest of the party faithful get it the sooner you might move the Golden State from Blue to Red. Sorry for the length...I'm tired and brevity crashed some time ago.

JozefColomy

Prop 187? How was that racist? I would say you are the racist for assuming that only one race of people are coming here illegally. Let's not stereotype now.

Look throughout history. The Democrats were the party that wanted and fought for slavery. The party that wanted segregation. The party that did not want the Civil Rights Act to pass. The party that supports Affirmative Action. The party who encouraged racial gerrymandering in the 1990s so as to elect more "ethnically diverse" members of Congress. The party of the only member of the Senate to use the n-word on live, national television...TWICE! The party that uses welfare like a carrot on a stick while calling the true Americans who dislike welfare racists. The only thing racist about that equation is the Democrats equating "poor" with "black".

The Democrats have a long history of being racist, and more recently of using race to achieve political gain, something that is no better than sheer racism in my opinion.

Chris Prevatt

Ok Jubal (Matt),

Strom Thurmond:

Thurmond is perhaps most famous for being one of the most strident and sustained proponents of institutionalized segregation. In particular, he gained notoriety for conducting the longest filibuster ever conducted by a United States Senator in opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and for running for president in 1948 as a Dixiecrat.

Thurmond's political career extended from the days of Jim Crow laws, and South Carolina had strongly resisted any attempts at integration. Running as a Democrat, Thurmond was elected Governor of South Carolina in 1947 and supported preserving the state's existing segregation laws. In 1948, after Harry S Truman desegregated the US Army, Thurmond became a candidate for President of the United States on the third party ticket of the Dixiecrat Party, which had split from the Democrats over the issue of segregation and racism. Thurmond carried four states and received 39 electoral votes. His primary campaign platform was the perpetuation of segregation. One 1948 speech, met with cheers by supporters, included the following:

“I wanna tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that there's not enough troops in the army to force the Southern people to break down segregation and admit the nigger race into our theaters, into our swimming pools, into our homes, and into our churches.”

Thurmond supported racial segregation with the longest filibuster ever conducted by a single Senator on the Senate floor, speaking for 24 hours and 18 minutes in an unsuccessful attempt to derail the Civil Rights Act of 1957.

On September 16, 1964; Thurmond, increasingly at odds with the national Democratic party over racial integration switched his party affiliation, becoming a Republican. In South Carolina and other states of the Deep South, white segregationists supported Goldwater in 1964 instead of Johnson, whose support of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and integration rankled the segregationists.

Jesse Helms:

Helms opposed the Martin Luther King holiday bill in 1983. Helms once deeply offended a black colleague, Democratic Senator Carol Moseley-Braun of Illinois, by singing part of "Dixie" on a capitol elevator. Helms was in a battle with Moseley-Braun over the recognition of the Daughters of the Confederacy through symbolic legislation. Moseley-Braun won, in a memorable floor fight, and Helms was furious. Helms's seemingly nostalgic remembrances of segregation and slavery, as well as his long record as an opponent of civil rights in the 1950s and 1960s also led many to call him a racist.

Helms also played the race card to win elections, as in 1990, when he ran the famous "White Hands" television ad in a tough reelection race. The ad has become legendary in Southern political circles as the most direct appeal to white backlash in modern American politics. It showed rough white hands opening a letter, and then crumpling it and throwing it away, while the voice over talked about how much the white man needed the job, and how it went to a less qualified black man because of affirmative action.

George Allen:

First, there's the noose he hung from a tree in his law office, which suggests an approving attitude toward lynchings. Second, Allen also used to display a Confederate flag at his house, which he claims was part of a flag collection. Third, as governor of Virginia, Allen signed a “Confederate Heritage Month” proclamation while dubbing the NAACP an 'extremist group.

On Aug. 11, at a campaign stop in Breaks, Virginia, near the Kentucky border, U.S. Senator George Allen twice used the word "macaca" to refer to S.R. Sidarth, who was filming the event as a "tracker" for the opposing Jim Webb campaign. Sidarth is of Indian ancestry, but was born and raised in Fairfax County, Virginia. At the same event Allen invited the guests to “welcome macaca to the United States.” Allen's mother, born Henrietta Lumbroso, is of French Tunisian descent and it is likely that she heard the perjorative on numerous occasions during her childhood.

Allen’s mother revealed to him in late August 2006 that she was Jewish and had concealed that information from him. Etty Allen said in a telephone interview. “When I told Georgie, I said, 'Now you don't love me anymore.'” Only the mother of an anti-Semite would believe her son would not love her anymore because she was Jewish. After his mother revealed her secret to him, Allen at a televised debate September 18, 2006 repeated what he has said in the past: “My mother's French-Italian with a little Spanish blood in her. And I was raised as she was, as far as I know, raised as a Christian.”

So Matt, now that I’ve answered your question, why not answer mine?

Do you wish to associate yourself with the anti-Muslim hate speech of Shawn Steel, John Lewis, Tan Nguyen, and the Orange County Republican Party Central Committee members who have attacked Bill Dalati and Loretta Sanchez as supporters of terrorists because of their support for the Islamic community and opposition to the Iraq war and occupation?

Patrick Moriarty

Chris --

Interesting that you leave out the current Democrat in line to become Senate President Pro Tem if the Dems take over again, the unrepetent racist, and according to the DailyKos, conscience of the Democrat Party -- ROBERT BYRD.

Again, no one is saying Strom Thurmond wasn't a segregationist. LBJ knew it and used it along with the Senator Teddy Kennedy lionized -- Richard Russell. Before he switched parties in 1964, people like Prescott Bush (whose grandfather is he?) refused to have him come into a caucus meeting without refuting on the Senate floor those views. Each of his campaigns after his switch apologized for those stands and he was noted for bringing more AFRICAN AMERICAN staff and leaders into the US Senate than ANY OTHER SENATOR.

Interesting that you have no problem attacking George Allen using one source who has been refuted by dozens, yet you pay no attention to his opponent Jim Webb who says he did, well maybe, no he didn't, well really, it was impossible not to use the "N" word when you were growing up in the South, but I sure didn't.

And when looking at the current hate speech sweeping the internet, instead of squinting for it here, you would be far better served looking at DailyKos for all of your anti-Semitism needs.

You are a firecracker Chris.

Chris Prevatt

Now that we've taken Jubal's diversionary trip down Memory Lane, would anyone like to comment on the issue at hand?

Do the anti-Islamic, anti-Arab, hate motivated comments of Shawn Steel, John Lewis, and Tan Nguyen represent the views of the majority of Orange County Republicans posting on or reading this site?

If not, who other than Curt Pringle will stand up to these racists and reject their comments as extremist?

Felicity Oh

Josef. I always like how illegal immigration activists claim they are opposed to ALL who enter the country illegally. Interesting enough their wrath only seems to be directed towards one specific group.

There was a marvelous opportunity for the Minutemen and their ilk to prove they are concerned about people being in the US illegally. A bartender at O'Malley's in Seal Beach was wanted by British authorities for aiding and abetting the murder of two Brit soldiers. The INS stated he should have never been allowed into the country. Yet here he was. And there were no protestations outside his place of employment. No one marching with banners on Main St in Seal Beach. He ultimately has been deported. But not before all his drinking buddies could proclaim him being a 'great guy'. So please spare us the diatribe Prop 187 was directed at ALL groups. There was only one immigrant group used in the ads. And their origin wasn't from Asia or Europe.

rebecca

Bobby Byrd has apologized again adn again and again--and not just for embarrassing his state.
Actual apologies, not just the "I'm sorry I made up that word that I don't know what it means" apologies.
How is it you guys have never managed to read of it? I guess NewsMax doesn't acknowledge when Dems acknowledge how wrong they were.

Pat

Just a note to the Dems, Islam is not a race, it is a religion, so crying "racist" is seriously wrongheaded (but politically effective?). It is racist to discriminate against someone on the basis of race because race involves inherent physical differences that do not involve the heart and mind at all.

However, as a religion, Islam stands for certain ideas--especially political Islam. In a free society, ideas are proper subjects for argument. Dalati and his ties to CAIR, for instance should be discussed in this race because it is political.

THANK YOU PAT You are so correct.

Jubal

Now that we've taken Jubal's diversionary trip down Memory Lane, would anyone like to comment on the issue at hand?

My diversionary trip? You might want to re-read your party chairman's statement to find out who launched the diversion.

Do the anti-Islamic, anti-Arab, hate motivated comments of Shawn Steel, John Lewis, and Tan Nguyen represent the views of the majority of Orange County Republicans posting on or reading this site?

It's truly astounding that you have the power to peer into the hearts and minds of others, Chris? Exactly how do you know what their motives are? That makes two psychics over at TheLiberalOC.

I have no idea what percentage of OC Republicans agree with all or part of Shawn Steel's e-mail, Chris. Just as you have no idea what percentage of OC Democrats agree with all or part of Barbaro's statement -- unless your psychic powers provide you with that information as well.

I can tell you what I think of Shawn's e-mail. I think the description of Dalati as a "Syrian businessman" is lurid, unfair and detracts from the points he's trying to call attention to: namely Dalati's support for Cynthia McKinney, his participation in "The Rally Against Us.-Israeli Terror" and thinks Islamic marriage law ought to apply in the U.S.

The candidates and causes Dalati supports are legitimate issues. Cynthia McKinney? She's about as close to a cerifiable paranoid as you can find in Congress -- and Dalati gave her $500? His explanation that he contributed because of her stance against the war doesn't wash -- there are lots of anti-Iraq War Democratic Congressmen he could have giv en to. Why choose a wacko who thinks the Bush Administration knew 9/11 was com ing and allowed it to happen in order to obtain big contracts for defense companies?

As for the rally: "US-Israeli Terror"? Dalatia considers the US a terrorist nation? He considers Israel a terrorist nation? He thinks Israel fighting in self-defense is terror? Dalati is untroubled by associating himself as a co-sponsor of a rally that so brands the United States with a smorgasbord of Leftist groups?

Is it not legitimate to question whether Anaheim should have a councilman who believes Islamic dowry agreements concluded in foreigh countries should be recognized by American courts? This is from the April 13, 2001 OC Register:

A $30 dowry given by a physician to his new wife 27 years ago in Egypt does not qualify as a prenuptial agreement in Orange County, an appeals court ruled this week in a decision that awards the wife an estimated $1.5 million.

The groundbreaking decision could affect couples who came to California from Middle Eastern countries where dowry agreements, known as ``mahrs,'' are required under Islamic law.

Dalati's response: "I think it is a prenuptial agreement, and it should be enforced here."

These are legitimate issues for Anaheim voters to consider. Perhaps Barabaro and the rest of the OC Dem demagogue crew might try to engage on these issues, rather than shining them on in order to jump and down tut-tutting about "racist" motivations they have conjured up themselves.

RE: Twisted Logic:

TWISTED LOGIC

While I agree with your in general, let us not forget that the Pope is promoting Faith AND reason....this argues against an over-generalization of the Muslim faith.

tylerh

Way to go, Jubal.

Aren't we Republicans supposed to be trying to change the topic to National Security? When the issues are domestic policy, particularly civil rights, Democrats win.

Jubal

I'm not trying to "change the topic" to "Republican" talking points. I'm simply pointing out there are some legitimate issues regarding causes and candidates Dalati supports, and that there's nothing wrong with examining and debating them.

RE: Changing the topic:

"Beware of Sheep" – should be the new nom de guerre for all Orange County Political activists.

The “we all Republicans/Democrats should stick together” is what makes the notion of collective intelligence an oxymoron. This is the same mentality that pairs the most corrupt members of Congress with proponents of a Miller Moment for Orange County: Less Congestion, More Constipation and what will drive Orange County into bankruptcy soon – again. If you have facts to the contrary Jubal, let us see them.

Jubal

I'm still trying to figure out what you're talking about.

demmother

There should be no issue with the OCGOP endorsements. The criteria for Party endorsement is what it is.

What I object to is the Steel's, Lewis', etal who automatically assume that a person of Arab/Persian descent is a Muslim (code: Terrorist).

This is on par with being anti-illegal immigration (code: anti Mexican). I am patiently waiting for Congress to propose a fence on our northern border.

I understand the need for you boys to believe that CAIR is an extremist organization. The NAACP and any organization that promotes civil rights or culturale understanding has to be a radical group.

What disgusts me is the need for Republicans to create chasms between neighbors and create a culture of fear.

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