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December 01, 2005

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MrWhipple

Better yet, move out of the 70s-era Soviet-style planning and convert all O.C. carpool lanes into HOT lanes.

Drivers of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your crawling commute!

Screech

Extending measure M will only result in OCTA getting millions MORE to spend on carpool lanes, mass transit, etc. They have proven they don't much want to spend it on roads, which is what we approved it for.

But they don't dare mention that in their illegal political advertising, now do they?

Measure M should sunset as originally promised. The roads are built, and we don't need "extra" taxes for that anymore. We can finish up with the "regular" road funds, from gas taxes.

rational exuberance

Ditto, Screech!

OpenMinded

Screech,

Make up your mind:

"They have proven they don't much want to spend it on roads," then you go on to say, "The roads are built, and we don't need "extra" taxes for that anymore."

Reality is OCTA cannot arbitrarily allocate Measure M money to what ever it wants. On the contrary, MM clearly delineates where the money MUST go, include about 40% to streets and roads. Every year, for the last 14 years OCTA has allocated millions to the cities to take care of street maintenance and improvements. Another 40% goes to freeways, which was used to expand every single freeway in Orange County, including the 22 (which was never in the original plan). The other 20% is to go to transit, which includes light rail and HOV projects.

I find it difficult to blame OCTA for the way the money is allocated, when it was the voters who elected for it to be that way. If you want to see more allocated to concrete (freeways) and roads, and less to transit, contact OCTA and let them know your stance. I'm sure they are drafting the next plan to succeed Measure M, and the biggest question is how to divvy up the money.
Screech,

Make up your mind:

"They have proven they don't much want to spend it on roads," then you go on to say, "The roads are built, and we don't need "extra" taxes for that anymore."

Reality is OCTA cannot arbitrarily allocate Measure M money to what ever it wants. On the contrary, MM clearly delineates where the money MUST go, include about 40% to streets and roads. Every year, for the last 14 years OCTA has allocated millions to the cities to take care of street maintenance and improvements. Another 40% goes to freeways, which was used to expand every single freeway in Orange County, including the 22 (which was never in the original plan). The other 20% is to go to transit, which includes light rail and HOV projects.

I find it difficult to blame OCTA for the way the money is allocated, when it was the voters who elected for it to be that way. If you want to see more allocated to concrete (freeways) and roads, and less to transit, contact OCTA and let them know your stance. I'm sure they are drafting the next plan to succeed Measure M, and the biggest question is how to divvy up the money.

Screech

I am not blaming OCTA, except for their advertising how great they saved us from gridlock, but the way they did it was by building those elaborate carpool flyover ramps. Man, those must have cost millions! Could have used that 40% of the money (your figure) for more and better regular road expansion, where it would have gone even farther. But no. They bought EXPENSIVE stuff.

Anyway, Measure M was supposed to sunset, it should be allowed to sunset. We don't need any more sales tax money for transit. We have road tax in our gasolene for that.

I don't want to lobby OCTA for how to divide the money. I don't want to divert the discussion to that. I want the voters to reject any extension of the half cent Measure M tax. That's the correct approach.

calwatch

And watch as the infrastructure of the OC crumbles.

You actually have to be somewhat careful of assuming that the quarter cent "automatic" sales tax (TDA Article 8 for those of us wonks) and gas tax will go to roads. It will probably cover for maintenance but by law the rest has to go to transit. Orange County has a very good bus system, but if service does not meet the demand, then you could very likely have a civil rights lawsuit and a consent decree shoved in your face, like LA County, thus "draining" your road money into transit.

(See my prior post on "conformity" for my explanation as to why OCTA must build carpool lanes and cannot, by EPA regulation, build mixed flow lanes.)

I do agree that HOT lanes would be the next logical alternative if Measure M redux fails. However, you will need bonding capacity to start what is always a long and grueling environmental process before one lane of HOT is built, which of course a bond provides. You can bond against TDA and gas tax funds but it is pretty difficult.

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