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October 30, 2005

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OCFA E67

The NO campaign throws its Hail Mary pass.

Desperation setting in. Sad, sad, sad.

Roscoe

this mailer is designed well. showing a cartoon of fireman taking a piggy bank with the words "tax money" on it from a little girl would be a hail mary.

pull out all the stops OCFA E67, you are going to need them!

Green Machine

OCFA E67 sounds like Baghdad Bob during the Iraqui war as the coalition forces were surrounding the city! He believes his little fantasy that all the major news publications, public employees, political parties, board of supervisors and state senators are wrong and his little world isn't crumbling...

It might be a good time for him to flee the city....We're coming and you can't stop us!

Green Machine

OCFA E67 sounds like Baghdad Bob during the Iraqui war as the coalition forces were surrounding the city! He believes his little fantasy that all the major news publications, public employees, political parties, board of supervisors and state senators are wrong and his little world isn't crumbling...

It might be a good time for him to flee the city....We're coming and you can't stop us!

Irvine resident

Just my two cents- I thought the fliers were well done and informative.

OCFA E67

When the facts of not fulfilling the promise to the voters of Prop 172 have been told there is outrage. How do I know this? I have had citizens come up to me while on duty telling me the County has done to 172 funds what the state did to the lottery funds and education. They usually mention the $77M slush fund being held by Carona. The next question they ask is where they can get a yard sign. I give them the union office's number, and surprisingly, our office manager tells me a good number of them are following through.

Attacking the institution of the fire department is a last ditch effort to turn an election because the initial tack of fear and threats didn't work. We both know it didn't. So this is what's left.

Tin Star got his thong in a twist when a request for OCSD earnings was requested. But yet that group is strangely silent now that firefighter compensation is being thrown out into the public arena.

The only ones who don't see desperation are folks like Tin Star and Green Machine. And then ask yourself how you react to someone who is desperate. The voters will do the same.

OCFA E67

GM. Most of the same people opposing us are the same people who favored an airport at El Toro. Unions, politicos, and newspapers.

Now ask yourself how many airplanes you see flying out of there now.

Green Machine

OCFA E67....outraged citizens? Please....After all these years...the citizens are revolting? That's hillarious!

If your side is so noble and deserving, I doubt you would have faced the backlash from politicians and media that you've been receiving.

As far as political tactics...don't go crying because the fight is getting a little rough. That's the nature of politics and you guys brought it into that arena. It's not desparation that's causing the hard knocks you are feeling, it's the fact that we refuse to let you pad your bloated budget.

Your characterization of the 77 million as a "slush fund" shows your ignorance. You see surplus as an opportunity to spend every last penny. Maybe if you chose to build a functional Headquarters building instead of a tower of grandeur that your own union leader called the "Taj Mahal" you might have a surplus too...but I doubt it.

I don't much care for the fingerpointing at your salaries...I know how overtime can skew those numbers, but you were the guys crying poor, so what did you expect. You had to know the media was going to point out the numbers.

Green Machine

You are wrong about the airport people! Many of our supporters were also against the airport...even some of the board of supervisors were against it. You can't possibly find a correlation between your money grab and the airport.

Talk about desparation!

OCFA E67

GM. You know what I like about you and Sarge? I can always depend on a good laugh. And true to form, you haven’t disappointed me. We’re the desperate ones? Let’s do a quick recount.

Whose campaign started off based on fear and threats? “Hello, 911? Is anyone there?”

Was it the firefighters? Um No.

That didn’t work. Know how I know? You aren’t using it anymore. Otherwise your campaign would be hammering it daily. Campaigns don't change strategies or their messages unless it's needed.

Sooooo. The campaign transitions to an institutional attack of the fire department. And the wasteful spending involved. Gotta love that. Your campaign is a now a smear campaign. Our political director told me your campaign was run by John Lewis, and that is really all he knows. Unless he has a slam dunk candidate like Campbell. Carona was in a fistfight that ended up being very close even though his opponent got a late start, and Walters almost beat him. Lewis' other battle against Cynthia Coad wasn't so much a triumph for Chris Norby as it was kicking in a door (Coad) with rusty hinges. And a 3.5 point swing would have made it a different outcome. So his success is spotty at best. The Taxpayers for Safe Streets (aka AOCDS) are spending upwards of seven digits to do a smear and fear campaign while supposedly trying to convince everyone (more likely themselves) that it is a slam dunk because of all the players lined up against the firefighters. My political director also told me that Wayne was told by Stu Mollrich (who did the polling for Measure D and the original Proposition 172 campaign) that AOCDS will have to outspend the opposition by a minimum of 3:1 to have a chance, and it is a slim chance at that. I bet that is true. What do your polls tell you on this issue? Don’t answer, because I already know. By looking at your campaign, the answer is obvious.

Who are you trying convince? Certainly not us. That only leaves one other group.

But lets look at who in your elected support was pro and anti airport. 2/3 of the supes. Um…pro. Miguel Pulido.um...pro. Labor unions. um... pro. Sen Ackerman. um...pro. Dana Rohrbacher. um...pro. OC Register. um...pro. Wyatt Hart and Russ Chilton don’t count since they’re retired or current deputies. Carona and the Rack were smart enough to be neutral during the whole thing, so they don’t count either. And speaking of Miguel Pulido. My political director told me he saw Wayne Quint at a homeowner's group representing 50 HOA's in Santa Ana. Wayne was telling them to follow the lead of their Mayor and oppose Measure D. Apparently not knowing this group HATES Pulido. Our guy also tells me he was approached on getting more campaign material and yard signs by one of the group's officers.

And like I said earlier. I get approached by the voters all the time while on duty telling me they support us and what can they do to help. I of course refer them to our union office. Is that happening to you? How many sheriff substations are being approached asking where to get No on D signs? I'm hearing reports across the county from my firefighter colleagues that is happening. Some in non OCFA cities. Are you hearing the same things from your non OCSD cities? Don't answer that question, we both already know the answer.

And we haven't even started our grass roots campaign yet.

Maybe I'm naive. Maybe I eat crow on November 8.

9 days and counting. We'll see.

OCFA E67

Ooops. I meant 2/5's of the current supes. My bad.

Green Machine

OCFA E67:

You are fond of the saying "My political director told me..." Of course that's what he's telling you dumb*ss. If he told you it was a lost cause, you'd fire him. He's paid to fight for you and I'm sure he'll do his best, but rarely does a political advisor give you the bad news at the tail end of a bitterly fought campaign....find an independant source outside of your little camp and maybe we can take it at face value.

The ads you referred to changed because that was the plan. You attack on multiple fronts and you provide the public with information in a way that gets their attention! The fact that we can bring the resources to bear are an indication of our resolve, not desparation.

You talk about public support yet you have no clue about the support we are receiving. Your last sentence sums it up best...you are naive.

And just for the record, my neighbors (some of whom I've never met) came to my door and asked me for a sign...and wouldn't you know it, I happened to have a few extras. I've looked around my block and not one single sign was in a yard supporting your cause. The truth of the matter is that the vote will not hinge on who has more signs or who has more people coming by their stations.

I guess the final "I told you so" will be dealt on November 8th. Until then, it's just you, me and a bunch of biased campaign advisors trying to convince eachother that we actually know what we're talking about.

OCFA E67

>>He's paid to fight for you and I'm sure he'll do his best, but rarely does a political advisor give you the bad news at the tail end of a bitterly fought campaign....find an independant source outside of your little camp and maybe we can take it at face value.<<

And the same could be said for your side.

>>The ads you referred to changed because that was the plan. You attack on multiple fronts and you provide the public with information in a way that gets their attention! The fact that we can bring the resources to bear are an indication of our resolve, not desparation.<<

I doubt this is true. With three Supervisor races, a Sheriff's race, DA's race, Treasurer's race etc, those resources would be better spent in six months. The idea would be to spend as little as possible on this race to ensure proper support for those causes next year. If this issue were the slam dunk you claim, you wouldn't be spending those resources now. Your attack on multiple fronts is a nice attempt to spin, but we both know it was more a search for an issue that would have traction since your primary focus of fear (911...is anyone there?) was an insult to the voters.

Yeah our PAC guy is a little wacky. But he does a good job, and I know him to be a straight guy. If he believed things weren't going all that well he would be up front about it.

And if you have an objective source that supports your claim, I'm sure you would have put out there by now to let the other side know just how bad they're losing, and you haven't. Why else would there have been such hoopla over a pledge by Carona and Rack to raise $100K with only two weeks to go. The actions of your campaign don't match your own rhetoric.

And everyone sees that but you.

Green Machine

"Yeah our PAC guy is a little wacky"...you got that right!

We do see those other races as important, but Measure D was never characterized as a slam dunk by anyone but you. We will win because of our hard work and effort, not because it's an easy sell.

9/11 did a lot for your public image and blinded the public to your greed and overspending...so of course we have to hit you hard and expose you...but you mistake it for desparation when we attack...it's not and it will more than likely work!

As we said before, Nov. 8th will tell us who is right..although I suspect you won't admit it even then.

OCFA E67

>>We do see those other races as important, but Measure D was never characterized as a slam dunk by anyone but you.<<

Wrong again. Don't you get tired of that? You have been the one telling everyone this will fail because of the folks opposing. Not us.

>>9/11 did a lot for your public image and blinded the public to your greed and overspending<<

Wondered how long it would take to throw out the 9/11 reference. Longer than I thought, but I knew it was coming. Your campaign hasn't had the same message for more than a week. First it was tax shifts, then it was vacancies, then it changed to fear, now its greed. Ours has been the same all along. Voters like consistency. And which side has done that?

Being called greedy by a deputy is a akin to being called ugly by a bull frog. And weirdly enough they're the same color. I'll take that as a compliment.

Now GM. I'm going to do you a favor. I'm am going to sign off from this board and go work on the campaign. I'll get a lot more votes hitting the streets than I will here.

So I'll give you the last word.

Be well.

Just watching

I know you guys are all saying that Measure D is going to fail and that the "No no Measure D" campaign is handily beating the Nozzle-heads and their efforts. I am against the alphabet measures, but I have seen one (1) "NO" sign in south county, and dozens and dozens of the signs put up by the hose-jockeys.

I'm talking Dana Point, Laguna Niguel here. If any of the voters down here choose by popularity and the omni-presence of signage, then the smoke-eaters are way ahead of the "NO" folks.

For what it's worth...

EDJ

That is my comment on the lack of South OC NO On D signage (Above) that is attributed by the blog to OCFA E67. I am not he. I tried to post without an account and that is the ID it assigned my comment.

I now have the appropriate account. Don't blame that obvious Foundation-saver ID for my obviously anti-D comments.

EDJ

OC Fire Storm

That is my comment on the lack of South OC NO On D signage (Above) that is attributed by the blog to OCFA E67

Your by-line is at the end of your post, not at the top. The OCFA E67 by-line you see is for the post above. I was confused when I first started posting also.

can't wail till Tuesday

Folks...Its all over. The fire union officialdom showed up en masse today and lodged a series of stink bombs at the Board of Supervisors. The 7 who testified at the Board meeting were shrill and irrational and quite over the top with their attacks on the 5 supes.

They repeated their tired and whining themes...but this time several said we will be back and at you in June. What does this mean? A second initiative...running candidates in the 3 supervisorial seats that are up. One thing is for sure you don't act that way if you think you are going to win. Perhaps they just did some polling or they don't like what they are hearing going door to door. In any event they signaled that they know they are going to lose.

If that was not entertaining enough, Yes on D hired gun Jeff Flint was skulking around the room telling anyone that would listen that the firefighters were running this drill against his advice. If you were the firefighters and knew you were losing would you listen to your consultant anymore? Its only a matter of time before the Yes on D crowd starts to cannibalize each other as they begin the blame game. Tuesday can't come soon enough.

EDJ

I haven't seen any poll information on the Alphabet Measures, anyone have a link to any *real* data?

I've got a lot at stake here, I'm'a hoping an a'prayin they all get defeated

PS-Hey OC Fire Storm, thanks for the head's up on how the blog format layout puts your ID under your post, even though that dashed line divides your ID from your post. Confusing. You're not such a bad guy, for a smoke-eater anyhow

EDJ

Blog Watcher

Just got my Californians for Growth slate with a Yes on Measure D and Jon Fleischman's article supporting the slates ideals.

Who knew he would jump ship so quickly. He must know the handwriting is on the wall.

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